The Nurturing of a Beautiful Soul - Paul Nugent - Author - #237

Exploring Consciousness and Purpose: An Insight into the Society with Reverend Paul Nugent

In this episode of the Us People podcast, host Savia Rocks welcomes Reverend Paul Nugent for a profound and insightful discussion on spirituality, consciousness, and the evolution of humanity. Paul shares his journey from a privileged yet questioning upbringing in England to his deep involvement with the Aetherius Society.

He talks about the influence of various spiritual teachings, including Eastern philosophy, Christianity, and the teachings of Dr. George King. They delve into the importance of love, service, and bravery in achieving spiritual evolution and Cosmic Consciousness. Paul also discusses his book, 'Maya Maya,' and the spiritual insights it offers. This episode is a deep dive into understanding life's purpose and the interconnectedness of all existence.

00:00 Welcome to Season Five
01:15 Introducing Reverend Paul Nugent
01:55 Paul's Early Life and Education
05:52 A Journey into Spirituality
08:28 The Aetherius Society and Cosmic Consciousness
19:51 Writing as a Spiritual Expression
26:32 The Cosmic Perspective
35:39 The Earth's Evolutionary Journey
38:12 The Nine Freedoms and Spiritual Progression
41:32 Challenges and Negative Energies
43:57 Transmuting Negative Energies
45:25 The Power of Love and Spiritual Heritage
51:52 Personal Reflections and Life Lessons
56:11 The Importance of Love and Connection
59:02 Final Thoughts and Farewell

Thank you so much Paul for showing us, the sensitivity of the human nature

Book: https://www.collectiveinkbooks.com/6th-books/authors/paul-nugent

The beautiful of a soul is often missed because of its appearance - Savia Rocks

Transcript

Paul Nugent - Author - #237

[00:00:00] Savia Rocks: Hey guys, we made it to season five of the Us People podcast. I'm your host Savia Rocks. And in this season, we aim to empower and embrace creativity through diversity as we dive into the fascinating stories and experiences of a diverse range of individuals. Highlighting their unique perspectives and creative endeavors from artists and entrepreneurs to innovators and activists, we celebrate the power of diversity in driving creativity and fostering positive change.

[00:00:32] Join us as we engage in thought provoking conversations like 

[00:00:37] Tony DADA: I made myself intentionally homeless in pursuit of my purpose. 

[00:00:41] Jay Harris: We're aware that. A lot of people want to present and they, and they were in my position and what's worse, they weren't a white male, which is a joke. That's even still a thing. I 

[00:00:49] Mel: think my family never, ever say you can't do something.

[00:00:52] So full of support, full of support for whatever dream. If I said tomorrow, I want to fly to the moon. They'll probably say, I wish you all the best Mel. 

[00:00:59] Savia Rocks: So [00:01:00] guys, I just want to say thank you for supporting the Us People podcast for the past five years. I really look forward to sharing another new theme song.

[00:01:10] Review. Let's go.

[00:01:15] Paul Nugent: Hello. My name is Reverend Paul Nugent, and I am very delighted to be on the Us People podcast with Savio Rocks.

[00:01:31] Savia Rocks: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Us People podcast. I'm your host Savio Rocks, and today I am humbled to have Paul here with me. You is an author, Paul. I want to thank you so much for taking your time to come on the Us People podcast. How are you? 

[00:01:48] Paul Nugent: Uh, overall, I'm very well. It's very nice to be talking with you.

[00:01:54] so 

[00:01:54] Savia Rocks: much, Paul. So my first question for you, Paul, is could you [00:02:00] kindly tell me a bit about yourself, where you grew up and how that influenced you to be the person who you are today? 

[00:02:09] Paul Nugent: Hmm. Yeah. Um, well You can tell, I'm sure, from my accent that I'm English. Um, I was born in Cambridge, didn't stay there very long.

[00:02:23] Uh, I grew up, um, in, in, dare I say, a large country house in Yorkshire. At least that's what I remember, um, for the most part. That was my father's side of the family. That's about it. And, at the same time, I was sent to a boarding school at the opposite end of the country. So I had, to that extent, um, a privileged, um, or so called privileged, um, upbringing.

[00:02:58] I think, actually, the real [00:03:00] privilege I had, uh, I don't think it's anything to do with class or love, actually. I think it's more to, I was privileged in the sense that I had two parents, both of whom loved each other. Yes. And loved their children, my brother and myself, and I think, so I was, I was brought up in a very loving, um, family.

[00:03:20] And I think that that generates, um, a sort of an ease and a confidence, um, that one can sort of carry through into one's adult life. In saying that, um, uh, being at this boarding school, um, the other end of the country. I, I, I think, I don't think it's fair to accuse myself of not being academically bright, uh, because I think everybody who could write a book is going to have a little bit of a brain, at least to get it published.

[00:03:55] Um, but I wasn't interested in what I was being taught. Um, [00:04:00] school, I, I mean, yes, I, I, I, I was good for, for a while, but after time it became boring for me. I wasn't interested in it. I, I, because I, there was no sense of what all of this is about. What life's about, what it means to be here. And none of that was, was, was taught.

[00:04:21] I mean, obviously, it still isn't being taught. Um, and I think it should be taught. I think these, these are incredibly important questions. They're, they're great questions. Um, that maybe people eventually go on sort of, can study and question, maybe, in philosophy at university. But I'm not even sure philosophy is getting at the root of 

[00:04:39] Savia Rocks: it.

[00:04:39] Yes. Um, 

[00:04:40] Paul Nugent: So, as I say, I grew up, um, in relative privilege, so to speak, um, but questioning life. And the consequence was that when I left school, um, age 17, 18, I failed most of [00:05:00] my exams. I had to go back and retake English, well, a couple of them actually. I managed to get the bottom grade in English Literature.

[00:05:08] And I haven't got a clue what to do with it. There's not a lot you can do with just one, um, bottom grade, A level. Uh, but a friend of mine had gone on to a place in Bournemouth on the south coast to study hotel management. And he said, all you need is one E A, one A level E grade to get in. And I said, well, that's all I've got, so I'll come and study, do hotel management.

[00:05:32] And I was there for three years, and as I say in the book, I got even less interest in hotels when I left than when I had entered. Um, but it did introduce me to the subject of wine. Yeah. That I sort of, I thought, hmm, this could be interesting. So I actually, um, went into the wine trade for about eight or nine years in London.

[00:05:52] Uh, and it was during that time that these deeper questions really began to kick in as to, um, what [00:06:00] is life really about. And unsure of where else to turn. Um, but I'd been raised in the Anglican Church, everything I had was a Bible. I wasn't aware of any other sort of spiritual or metaphysical teaching. So I read the four Gospels, and it had a very profound effect upon me because I, I knew, I didn't just sense, but that I knew that here is someone, as in Jesus, Jesus Christ.

[00:06:28] who did really understand how, how to live our life, how we should be living on Earth. And it, as I very profound effect upon me. I began to attend a church in London, St. Martin in the Fields, in Trafalgar Square. And I was very fortunate, um, in the sense that my, my boss, uh, working the wine trade, was himself a deeply spiritual man.

[00:06:55] And he was studying Eastern philosophy at a school in London. And he [00:07:00] introduced me to that school where I was sort of awakened to concepts such as karma and reincarnation. And they made as much intuitive sense to me as the teachings of Christ in the Gospels, which of course are technically in the, in the, in, in, in the Bible and in the Orthodox sense.

[00:07:19] Um, one can make the case that they are actually there. Um, but anyway, that made sense. And his secretary. Had been at a, a New Age center in the north of Scotland called Findhorn, uh, that you may have heard of. Findhorn, uh, began in the, actually I think the 50s and became famous in the 60s and 70s. Because they grew an incredible garden, um, by communication with what the divas or the nature spirits of the plants and the vegetables.

[00:07:52] And it was as if the sort of, um, you know, the divas of the rhubarb, was saying, you know, we like to be [00:08:00] near the carrots. We can't stand the broccoli, but we like to be near the carrots. So the, the, the intuitive, um, Eileen Caddy was the main one. I can't remember her husband, Peter Caddy, but they grew this phenomenal garden by listening to literally the divas or nature spirits of the plants.

[00:08:19] And Fyndhorn became literally world famous as a result of that. So I also attended Fyndhorn for two periods of time. So the sort of combination of, well, I haven't mentioned the main bit yet, but I mean the Christianity, and the Eastern mysticism, and the concept of nature spirits surrounding everything, um, and then the main element, the thing that really came out of it more than anything, um, was, An organization called the Aetherius Society that had been founded in London in 1955 by the Western master of yoga, Dr.

[00:08:57] George King, [00:09:00] who, they believed, in the Aetherius Society, he'd spent, um, ten years practicing various forms of yoga for up to eight hours a day. Um, this was coming out of the Second World War, uh, in which he'd been a conscientious objector, but he'd served in the, in the fire service during the Blitz, and he'd seen the sort of madness of, of humanity.

[00:09:21] Which led him to sort of, uh, Us these deeper questions and study yoga. And anyway, at the end of his very intense period of practicing yoga, Um, he was contacted by an intelligence coming from the higher dimension of another world. We believe the higher dimension of Venus, just as there are other dimensions around this Earth.

[00:09:45] I mean, reincarnation makes no sense without other dimensions. Um, and so there aren't just other dimensions around this Earth, but also higher dimensions on the other planets in our solar system. [00:10:00] And um, so it was understood or believed that this man, this yoga master George King, had been a contactee for intelligences, um, uh, existing upon higher dimensions of other planets And I was naturally quite intrigued by it.

[00:10:21] Um, it's very easy to dismiss, uh, on the surface, but I took the trouble to actually, you know, take this seriously, investigate this, and I did, and I found it to be remarkably and profoundly true and important. Um, and so, uh, I, I became a member after two years. I became a member of this organization. In 1986, I became a member.

[00:10:47] I probably found it in a big pool. And so this whole combination of the ethereal society, beings on other dimensions, nature spirits, the great teachings and [00:11:00] philosophy of Jesus, the Eastern philosophy of Buddha and Shri Krishna, it all sort of merged together in my own life. And I knew it to be profoundly important and was answering those questions that I'd had as a child but So that was, has been the foundation, as I say, this is in the mid 80s, so we're going back about 40 years.

[00:11:24] Um, that has been the foundation of my life. And, um, in 1990, well in, uh, in 1989, um, I traveled to the American headquarters of the Ethereal Society, which is in Hollywood, California, um, to meet Dr. King. I'd not, not met him. I'd seen him on an occasion he Um, but I hadn't met him, and I wanted to meet him because I'd joined the sort of voluntary staff of the Ethereal Society, and it was on that three week visit in [00:12:00] 1989 to the American Quarters, that I was invited to actually relocate to the headquarters, uh, in Hollywood, and I knew deep down it was something that, um, I wanted to do, and I did do that.

[00:12:17] Savia Rocks: See, that's why you live life as much as you can, because you know, when you get to travel and do things and understand different cultures and religions, it enhances your life. And it also answers questions that sometimes you feel you're missing in your life. 

[00:12:34] Paul Nugent: One of my favorite lines, and I use it at least once or twice in the book, is from Hamlet.

[00:12:42] The line is, there's a divinity. Which shapes our end, rough hew them how we will. Uh, in other words, and I think that that's, that's, that's karma. It's Shakespeare's way of explaining karma. There's this [00:13:00] overriding force that is always guiding us, no matter, you know, how reckless and silly we can be. Um, Or whatever, but karma is always pushing us back, not in a, in any kind of aggressive way, but steering us back to our own highest good, if you like, our own, um, intuitive sense of destiny.

[00:13:22] And that, I mean, you know, I, I could, I could, coming back to my A levels, but I could, sometimes I sort of reverse, reverse engineer my life. And it was almost intended, it was, purposeful that I failed my A levels because if I'd passed them, I'd have gone to Leeds University to study textile design and management, which would have taken me completely away from, from, from where I wound up in finding the Aethericum.

[00:13:51] Although in saying that, I still think Carmel, the divinity shaping my particular end, would still have then directed me back. 

[00:13:59] Savia Rocks: Yes, I agree. [00:14:00] I definitely agree. So in order to say that I would love to know more about you in the terms of can you define yourself as a person? But who do you see when you look in the mirror?

[00:14:13] But on the flip side of that question pool, has there ever been a time where you have looked in the mirror and not recognize the person staring back at you? How did you manage to go from a person that you might not have liked seeing the reflection of to becoming the person that you wanted to be? Um, 

[00:14:36] Paul Nugent: that's a very, very profound and deep and important question, Sally.

[00:14:40] Um, I don't like, in fact, I have, as I say, I don't like looking in the mirror. I don't. My, my wife always sort of laughs at the way I look in the mirror. I don't. I sort of look at it slightly as scabs. But, um, if I look within myself, um,[00:15:00] 

[00:15:03] I don't think I could or would have been any, anybody else. As Oscar Wilde said, be yourself, because everybody else is taken. That's true. Um, and so in that sense, it's not so much I'm proud of who I am. That's not the right word for it. But I feel, I feel I've been honest to myself. I, I, I, I, I, I, I am truly my authentic self.

[00:15:35] And I think that that is. I mean, that in itself is a gift, and perhaps coming back to my childhood, um, you know, the sort of, the natural, instinctive, um, love and nurture that a child gets enables one to have the confidence to be that, to be literally oneself. So I feel, um, I'm [00:16:00] fine, I'm, I'm, I'm okay with how I turned out, in fact, I'm very happy with it.

[00:16:05] Um, and this, this, the writing of this book was very important to me. Um, I feel that, um, because, you see, I, well, the message that I've spoken about, I mean, I became, after moving to the American Heterosociety in the 1990s, Two years later, I became a personal assistant master of yoga and remained at his side for the, you know, latter years of his life.

[00:16:34] He died in 1997. And his story is a remarkable and profound story. I think it's incredibly important. It's very much needed in our world today. We've lost this greatest sense of vision and purpose and understanding as to what all of this experience is about. Yes. And I think for the majority of people it's a challenge, it's a struggle.

[00:16:59] Life [00:17:00] is not what it's intended to be, which I think should be an utterly joyous experience. It should be an ecstatic experience. Every day, every moment should be. Live to its full, and it isn't that, and I think most of all because, um, we've, we've been crushed, we've been crushed with our understanding and with our imagination, it's become dogma and doctrine and, and it's literally crushing us like these heavy, a stone in a way, and the teachings, the philosophy of, of the Aetherius Society, Dr.

[00:17:35] George King, Explaining how, you know, we're evolving souls. We're eternal beings living in an infinite, vast universe. What we're really doing, um, is we're all moving at phenomenal speed to a super cluster of galaxies called Laniakea, which is a wonderful Hawaiian word, which means immense heaven. That's what's really going on, all as a consequence of this experience called the [00:18:00] Big Bang.

[00:18:01] That is going back into that, you know, what's behind the Big Bang. We're part of something utterly unknown. Um, and yet, and that in itself should fill us all with a sense of awe and marvel as to, um, you know, why. And I think why is, is literally to get, have greater and greater experiences of ecstasy. in the true natural sense of consciousness and realization and awakening.

[00:18:30] We're on this phenomenal journey and so the, the importance of writing this book is to put that message across. So yeah, it's been, so that, it's been a, it's been a fulfillment to me, and I'm very grateful to people like Gavin, or certainly his, actually Gavin, Gavin was one, when you submit a book, it's very hard, believe it or not, to get a book published, certainly if you were an unknown person, um, and haven't had any books published before, it was [00:19:00] very difficult, so it was quite a feather in my cap to have got the book published, um, and, but by, it was at the time called John Hunt Publishing, now called Collective Inc Books.

[00:19:12] And Gavin actually was, was one of the people who read the manuscript and he immediately felt, I like this man's story. I think we can, we can, you know, uh, I think this would be a good book for us to publish. And others in the company felt the same way. Um, so that's where we are. 

[00:19:33] Savia Rocks: See, everything is a blessing just in a, in a, in a way.

[00:19:38] unique disguise, I say. I 

[00:19:40] Paul Nugent: think you're completely right. Because if he 

[00:19:42] Savia Rocks: didn't read it, Paul, then you wouldn't be here giving me the blessing of why you wrote the book and what it means to you, which is actually my next question. Anyway, I, one thing I always love Using a writer is where was their mindset An emotional connection [00:20:00] to each and every word when they're writing a book.

[00:20:03] What was that like for you? 

[00:20:06] Paul Nugent: Uh, I've read this book enough time if, if, if, if as many people have read this book as I have, it would already be a bestseller. I have read this, I've read this book many, many times. Um, I, I, I, Um, but every, every word, um, is important. In fact, I saw something fairly recently, uh, about writing, a very old article, right?

[00:20:31] But it is important to, to feel comfortable with every, with every word. Yes. Um, yeah, and, and so that was important for me. So you, you've got to, you know, tooth comb it and tooth comb it and tooth comb it until, um, you get it right. Believe it or not, Um, I've come to think of the book as a, as a love story.

[00:20:53] It's, it is al it, it is almost a romance. Um, and [00:21:00] the romance is an expression, sorry to get teary that, but it's an expression of my love for God. For, for the wholeness. For the wholeness. It's, it's that kind of, um, so it's not your ordinary sort of romantic. Um, sort of, uh, novel that's, you know, very popular, um, about the big, muscular guy, uh, and the, you know, attractive young girl.

[00:21:29] Um, but it's more, it's more a love story and in a spiritual expression of, of love of being in the love of God. Uh, and, and, and I think that that, um, that was the instinct that was in me that compelled me and drove me. To write the book, I knew that, I knew that I would write, you know, it was always in me to, to express that.

[00:21:56] So 

[00:21:59] Savia Rocks: that's, There's [00:22:00] nothing wrong, It was a crazy question to get out of it. There's nothing wrong with getting teary. I always find that when, when someone is passionate or when someone is in love with, Something that they do passionately. Well, 

[00:22:13] Paul Nugent: I get teary far too easily and I wish I wouldn't. 

[00:22:17] Savia Rocks: Do you know what?

[00:22:17] I wish more men did to be I'm sorry, I'm going to come off subject for one second. I wished more men expressed their emotions the way you do. 

[00:22:27] Paul Nugent: Really? Thank you. Um, yeah, because it's At the bottom of it, it is a love. Um, it is a love of being I get, you know Because the tragedy is, for me anyway, is because it's something that's horribly and terribly lost.

[00:22:50] You know, I feel pain of the world, uh, in that sense. Uh, I don't want to sound too, too dramatic or overdramatic, but, um, I'm, [00:23:00] I'm aware, um, intuitively, as you are, of how, um, miraculous and beautiful this experience of life is. 

[00:23:09] Savia Rocks: Yeah, I agree. 

[00:23:11] Paul Nugent: So the pain, uh, of the suffering of what we've made of it, we've made it something horrible.

[00:23:19] We've made it something just so, so basically you could even say ugly. We've made it ugly. We've made, we've made the beautiful ugly. Um, and that is painful when one knows the beauty of what it really is. And, uh, my admirers and my attempts to re establish the beauty. 

[00:23:44] Savia Rocks: I always say, it's funny that you say all that, it's, when you're an empath and you absorb everybody else's emotions, [00:24:00] it can be quite painful to take on all these emotions, and someone said something, and I don't know whether or not this will resonate with you in any way, Someone said to me that a lot of people who have mental health and who are in paths of are absorbing all the pain in the world and they are there to absorb all these emotions to try and heal the earth because all these emotions are It was very spiritual the way the person said it.

[00:24:29] Maybe I'm butchering it a little bit, but I understood the concept of what they were trying to say. They were saying that if all these people who are in paths and who have mental health are the people who are healers. In a sense, of spirit world, of human world, of existence. If all of us are taking all of these emotions in to try and heal the earth, we might be able to still save it in some kind of way.[00:25:00] 

[00:25:00] I think 

[00:25:01] Paul Nugent: there was a wonderful program years ago that I saw about an autistic person called John. I don't know if you, and John was obsessed with rolls of paper towel, but you couldn't help but love John. 

[00:25:14] Savia Rocks: See? 

[00:25:16] Paul Nugent: Exactly. And everybody who was sort of drawn to him, um, because of this deeper essence of love, which, which, which he, you know, demonstrated.

[00:25:27] And I think, so I agree with you very much, um, with what you're saying. Um, yeah, I agree. I agree. 

[00:25:38] Savia Rocks: See, so, I would love for you to talk about your book a lot more, because I would love for people to take away some kind of knowledge of what your book is about. I've had the pleasure of reading it, and literally, I had it on my computer screen, and I was just scrolling, scrolling up, going through it.

[00:25:55] And like I said, I received your book today, but There's nothing better than [00:26:00] having a book in your hand. There's nothing better than having a book in your hand and being able to physically feel the content of the words and let it resonate with your soul. Right. So my question for you, Paul, is please do tell us about who is George King, the intelligence of George King.

[00:26:23] Paul Nugent: Yeah. 

[00:26:24] Savia Rocks: The Cosmic Master. I just want to know more about the book itself and why you chose to give us so much insight within it. 

[00:26:32] Paul Nugent: Well, well, I guess in a nutshell, the gist of the book, um, is that however much we may make a hash of life, um, as human beings, but it doesn't remove the fact that we're actually all part of a universal oneness.

[00:26:51] Savia Rocks: Yes, very true. 

[00:26:52] Paul Nugent: And that, uh, in that oneness. Everything is living and everything has consciousness. [00:27:00] Yes. Including, um, including not just plant life and animal life, etc. But even the rocks. Uh, even the planet, in this case the Mother Earth. including the whole solar system. The sun is a living being, a highly evolved, conscious, intelligent being going itself through evolution as is all life as is, as is the Milky Way.

[00:27:27] The galaxy, as I mentioned, uh, we're all moving at phenomenal speed towards laniac air, this gap, this galaxy, the Milky Way together with over a hundred thousand other galaxies in our sector of the universe is moving towards. Um, Laniakea, all in this, if you like, divine cosmic movement, resulting, dare I say, not that I'm a scientist, but from this initial singularity that scientists tend to refer to the Big Bang, although they seem to be very confused about it [00:28:00] now in the light of what's come out of the James Webb Space Telescope.

[00:28:04] But the sort of metaphysical understanding is that All of creation, the yogis describe it as a great out breathing of God. And as we breathe out, then we breathe in. And so we're in this, uh, experience, this cosmic, intergalactic experience, all interconnected, all, um, entirely, sort of, um, divine. I was going to say spiritual, but all, all interconnected and divine.

[00:28:38] experience, going on to greater and greater forms of realization, consciousness, um, ecstatic bliss, in a way. I mean, the goal, we're here on that part of the vessel, um, to, uh, literally attain Cosmic Consciousness, um, or, which is the goal of, uh, of, [00:29:00] uh, of yoga. It's, it's the consequence, which is sort of something Dr.

[00:29:03] King was able to do, um, Um, to, to raise a force we all have at the base of the spine called the kundalini. And it rises up through the chakras, psychic centers that we all have in our aura, open the, um, floodgates, so to speak, until we can raise it to the higher centers, the, what's called the Christ center and ultimately crown center.

[00:29:27] And it's known in the Sanskrit term of Sat, Chit, and Andha, where we have, um, Um, full conscious realization as a human being, and it is literally an ecstatic state. Well, Dr. King was able to attain that, and it was with this ability, it's known as Samadhi. With his ability to go into this state of Samadhi, or Cosmic Consciousness, as I mentioned, he was contacted in, 1901st contacted in Nepal, by an intelligent scholar.

[00:29:57] As I mentioned, coming from the higher dimensions of [00:30:00] Venus, called the intelligence that goes by the name of Aetherius. That's why we are the Aetherius Society. And the understanding, um, a big part of the book, and the main part of the book, Is that humanity came from a planet we destroyed over 18 million years ago, known as Malde.

[00:30:21] All that remains of Malde is the asteroid, which is between Mars and Jupiter. Scientists are now coming, scratching their heads in the way they are about the event, um, as to feasibly that, um, must have been a planet. Our understanding is that it was a planet that we destroyed through the intense misuse of atomic energy.

[00:30:45] energy through nuclear war. But being an aspect of creation, we couldn't just be taken out of creation because it's this oneness. We would just, we just become, if you like, deviant. We've gone wrong. Um, [00:31:00] and so we needed somewhere to reincarnate. And the Earth was approached, as I said, this is over 80 million years ago, which to us sounds like a long time and is a long time.

[00:31:11] But in cosmic time, it actually isn't And we reincarnated, um, very slowly, here on Earth, attaining a civilization called Lemuria, which again we destroyed through the intense misuse of atomic power. We destroyed the civilization, um, not the planet. Again, this whole process of karma and reincarnation kicks in, and we arose to a civilization known as Atlantis, which again we destroyed through the intense misuse of atomic energy.

[00:31:44] And then, coming out, or towards the end of the Second World War, uh, mankind, with our tinkering and our wrong motives, um, but nonetheless, sort of, scientific capabilities, once again learned how to split the atom, [00:32:00] and built the atom bomb, which we used at the end of the Second World War to kill 200, 000 people, to end a war that had already killed 400, uh, over 40 million.

[00:32:11] So, and then we went into the Cold War developing the hydrogen bomb. So from this sort of extraterrestrial point of view of advanced intelligences, particularly within our own solar system, they were seeing humanity stuck in a rut, so to speak, um, from malware through Lumira, through Atlantis, and it was in that period of the Cold War.

[00:32:36] We're essentially talking about 1960s. Um, the flying saucers were very commonly sighted. It was the, it was when the town was, was first coined, the flying saucers. That was actually in 97. But there were many groups all around the world, because many people were having sightings of flying saucers. In a similar way, uh, in more recent [00:33:00] times, we've been having Manifestations known as crop circles.

[00:33:04] What on earth are they? These incredible formations that sharpen fields overnight, you know, in the blink of an eye. Um, they're evidently not human beings. However much human beings try to dismiss them as two men with a plank of wood, likewise flying saucers, until recently were always dismissed as sort of weather balloons or flocks of geese or something.

[00:33:24] But now the government's been forced, I say the government, uh, certainly the American government, has been forced to acknowledge that flying saucers exist, and they are, it's not us, and it's not the Russians, and it's not the Chinese. Um, and what these craft can do is just phenomenal, it's way beyond our technology.

[00:33:44] Um, so from the perspective of these, uh, As I say, more evolved beings who haven't gone down the route, I can say route, because we're English. They say route. Um, but they can see that, [00:34:00] um, that was where humanity was going again. And, but you coming back to this sense of all of creation being conscious, all of creation being living, that includes the planet.

[00:34:15] The planet has a logos, the planet has a heart, the planet has a soul. I'm going to stop. And, and which itself is evolving, and the Earth should, um, has withheld herself for our sake. She held herself back. It was a tremendous sort of act of sacrifice, you could say, um, for us to sort of, um, slowly, uh, get with the program when we haven't, still haven't really, um, gotten, um, with the program.

[00:34:48] Um, and yet, so, so the Earth is a living intelligence. has been given a tremendous infusion of, [00:35:00] if you like, cosmic or spiritual energy, which I would say, we would say in the Atheist Society, is what is behind the earth, the quickening. There's a, there's a quickening that's going on and it's primarily about the Mother Earth and it's having an effect, a knock on effect on all of us.

[00:35:19] Um, you know, even call this age, we're living in the exponential age. It seems everything is going exponential. But it's the pressure on us to also change, um, not just or even not necessarily in a sort of technological sense of it, but more in a spiritual sense. We're being forced to, I say forced, the pressure, there's a pressure, there's a pressure, a natural instinctive pressure, that upon all of us, to um, to, to awaken, to, to start rising, raising Kundalini if you like, because the Earth [00:36:00] herself is changing.

[00:36:02] She's changing as part of some far greater evolutionary cosmic plan, if you like, that we're all engaged upon. Maldex should never have happened. Maldex slowed the system down through, if you like, the wonderful allegory, I say wonderful, but the allegory of the garden, which goes back to sort of free will.

[00:36:25] We chose free will. We tinkered with, if you like, the system of God. We chose to see ourselves as being separate from God, when in reality nothing is separate from God, because everything is God, whatever God is. But God is this, is this literal singularity. It's this oneness. It's this, it's this cosmic, sense of, of universal oneness, that everything is in, we're all in this, this is the true matrix that we're all connected to and connected with.

[00:36:58] And it's becoming conscious of that, [00:37:00] not in any sort of negative way, but in a, in, in, in a sense of an awakening. And so George King was used as this medium for intelligences to communicate, um, if you like, of this sort of timeless, our fundamental spiritual journey that we're all on. Um, we are, as I say, here to evolve, we're here to raise kundalini, we're here to attain the state that the Buddha attained, that Jesus attained.

[00:37:30] In fact, Jesus in, you know, the wonderful demonstration of ascension, we're literally here to ascend. We're here to ascend, not to some mythical heaven, But to, yes, there would be heaven because of the sort of environment in which it has been created on the higher dimensions of the other planets. And they gave this outline, this, this, this, this evolutionary journey that we're on.

[00:37:59] [00:38:00] Um, on a, that takes us beyond Nirvana or, or, or enlightenment. Um, through ascension to literally, um, interplanetary existence. And it's actually a wonderful series of transmissions given to Dr. King in 1961. We call the Nine Freedoms. It begins with bravery. The first of those freedoms is bravery. Having the courage.

[00:38:24] It takes courage to honor one's inner truth, one's conscience. It takes, it takes a courage. Um, and what's behind that courage is love, um, in a very natural, instinctive way, in a universal way, um, which leads to the third freedom of service. The natural thing coming out of it, out of that love, is to help, is to serve, to serve one's fellow man, one's community, to uplift, to heal, whatever form.

[00:38:54] And that is a natural, uh, progression towards [00:39:00] enlightenment. That is the way towards it. We're here to attain enlightenment. And that is, um, I mean, there are other forms which one can do through various different types of yoga, um, which we also teach and practice in the ethereal system. Um, um, but as I say, to go beyond.

[00:39:17] Um, not just death, but to go beyond this, beyond this world, um, and in keeping with the natural progression that not only the earth, but the whole of this solar system is making. Everything in creation is being accelerated. Even the expansion of the universe is accelerating. We just need to get into the rhythm with, with that natural cosmic.

[00:39:44] So that's the gist of it. 

[00:39:48] Savia Rocks: It's awesome. That's completely awesome. And anyone who reads it. I'm sure connect with that and understand it, but also raise their consciousness of, [00:40:00] of understanding it. So my next question for you is a lot of the time we talk about being Used questions. If there was one question that you wished people would Us you, but nobody ever has Used you this question, what question would it be Paul and why?

[00:40:24] Paul Nugent: What question would I like people to have Used me that's never been Used? Well, I'm 60, nearly came out for 66 earlier and I've been Used a lot of questions. Um, um, I suppose, and this is probably cheating because it probably has been Used, but why hasn't or why doesn't humanity take these questions and these concepts more seriously?

[00:40:57] What is it that [00:41:00] prevents us from being, um, I would like to say, um, more spiritually serious or, or, or more conscious. Um, why, why do we have the world that we have? Um, I suppose would certainly be a question that, um, I would like to be Used, uh, because you see, and it plays into the book. Um, because Unfortunately, our world is filled.

[00:41:39] Look, look what's happening in the Middle East. Look what's happening in Ukraine. Look, look, look what's happening on the streets of London and the streets of every city, um, in, in, in the world. It's not just war, so to speak. It's crime, sadness, in a myriad of forms. And, um,[00:42:00] 

[00:42:01] that is no, in a way, is no different than, um, In a way, I wouldn't say it's no different, but it's all the same. There's only one energy. There's only one energy in creation. We can, in its natural form, it's love, but we can pervert it. And, um, as we pervert that energy, um, that energy has to go somewhere. 

[00:42:27] Savia Rocks: Um, 

[00:42:28] Paul Nugent: and it's, and it's, it's created and fed What we understand in the aetheric society, not just the aetheric society, in metaphysical circles, is lower astral realms.

[00:42:41] Yes. You know, I mentioned the other, and I mentioned them to the other planets, they don't have lower dimensions. We do here, because this energy, you can't just sort of, Um, take that and you can transmute that energy. And in fact, we are here to transmute that energy, but it [00:43:00] has to be transmuted. And if it's not transmuted, it festered and, um, uh, and it's festering, um, it acts.

[00:43:11] And I think, you know, when we open ourselves up through, dare I say drugs or, or other means, uh, or other ways, We, we open ourselves up to that kind of psychic energy, that psychic attack, that negative form of energy. And, Uh, in answering, I suppose, my own question. Uh, the unfortunate thing is we've got too much of that energy going back even as far as Maldives.

[00:43:39] Going back as far as Maldives. Going back to Lemuria. Going back to Atlantis. Going back to this present age, which spanned our wars, and the Second World War, and the atom bomb, the situation we, I mean, we are in a world in danger of just destroying itself. It is, I mean, we're armed to the hilt. And so we do have these negative [00:44:00] forces, um, in the lower astral realm, um, that, that are there that we've created.

[00:44:08] And yet, this is another key aspect of the book actually. Because, We believe great beings have come to earth throughout our history. Jesus being one. Um, there would've been another, obviously, RI Krishna. Yes. Probably the, the, the, the most well known. Um, but we've also had them in modern time. Um, we've had what are called addicts, three in particular, of beings from other worlds not known to humanity, living in obscurity, although we openly reveal that George King was one of the a.

[00:44:46] Um, and their primary reason for coming to Earth was to transmute the worst aspects of those lower astral realms that hold humanity in these shackles, these chains, [00:45:00] to break those chains. Because, again, coming back to the whole evolutionary process relating to the Earth, the whole Um, that cannot be allowed to exist, cannot exist.

[00:45:12] in the so called New Age or New World. Um, and these adepts have come, as they say, to transmute the worst aspect of those lower astral realms. There's still a lot of work to do. And the more conscious we start to become as human beings, and start to live the way we should, as people like Christ and Buddha taught us to live, then we will ourselves start to transmute that energy.

[00:45:38] And it'd be a wonderful sort of snowball that builds of this essence and power of love that starts to roll through our world and transmute all the negati and the politicization and the hatred and the divisions that we have. That all needs to be transmuted. And I'd say that's a very, very big part of [00:46:00] the work of the Ethereum society, not just the Ethereum society.

[00:46:04] But it's it's the main work of the ethereal society together with hundreds of thousands if not millions of human beings who are also You know, awakening and becoming conscious of our true divine spiritual heritage. 

[00:46:21] Savia Rocks: That is so true. Like, you know what I love about when you speak is how passionate you get about it.

[00:46:29] Paul Nugent: We cry against that. 

[00:46:31] Savia Rocks: No, it's inspiring to actually watch. There's, okay. 

[00:46:36] Paul Nugent: It means 

[00:46:37] Savia Rocks: a lot to me. This is what I mean. There are a lot of people in the world. Right. Who do a job every day. And I get to speak to so many people, Paul, and I feel blessed for that. But there are only a handful who will speak, [00:47:00] embrace and evolve about what they talk about.

[00:47:03] And you can feel that they are passionate and happy to talk about it. That's why I said what 

[00:47:10] Paul Nugent: I said. Right. Well, Yeah. I mean, again, it's, it's a cliche, but it's a good one. I mean about following one's heart in life, or following one's passion. It's terribly, terribly, terribly, uh, important to do that. It is, it's, it's Well, I think, I say if one can.

[00:47:28] Of course we can. But unfortunately, we live in this sort of horribly, or overly materialistic world. We need it up to a point, but it's um I do, you know, realize and respect that it's very, very difficult, you know, we all have to, you know, put food in our bellies, so to speak, and have a, you know, right head.

[00:47:46] So, I do respect that it is far easier said than done. 

[00:47:50] Savia Rocks: It is, and there's a thin line between, uh, love and even, love and hate, as we all know, and [00:48:00] greed as well. 

[00:48:01] Paul Nugent: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. It's criminal. I mean, it will, you know, without getting too, getting too barbaric. I mean, you know, it's as if I think 1 percent of the world's population own more than the other 99%.

[00:48:15] I mean, it's absolutely something like that. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's madness. And the sort of similar, if not even greater madness is the fact that we allow it. 

[00:48:29] Savia Rocks: That's another thing. 

[00:48:30] Paul Nugent: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That needs to be shattered. And I believe love will shatter it. Love will shatter it, that if there's enough build up of love in the world, that greed, that clutching to possession will be shattered.

[00:48:48] Savia Rocks: It shows, it shows a massive level, it shows also a massive level of insecurity as well. When somebody needs to have that much. [00:49:00] It shows a level, a massive level of insecurity and it shows a massive level of insecurity in the sense of they feel that they need the abundance of power to control. Yeah. I can talk to you about this all day.

[00:49:13] I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm sure I am because I'll, uh. 

[00:49:16] Paul Nugent: But it's changing. It's being changed. It is. That is the important for us as human beings to become conscious of that, which comes back to this bravery, because I think intuitively we all know it anyway. You know, part one of my book is called The Things I Knew Before I Was Born.

[00:49:35] Um, I think there are things we all knew before we were born. Um, and I think, I think the biggest thing that we all knew is love, which again, coming back to this, the, the nine freedoms, bravery, love, service, et cetera. Um, the, the intelligence who gave that series of communications through Dr. King in 1961, at the end of the second freedom of love, [00:50:00] uh, he says, Um, after the initiation called death, and it's a very interesting way of putting it, the initiation, death is an initiation, is after the initiation called death, you will be Used, why you did not use this energy of love more.

[00:50:20] More, more, we will be Used that question and he goes on to say, dependent upon that answer. 

[00:50:26] Savia Rocks: Yes. 

[00:50:27] Paul Nugent: And be your next life. Will be your next life. Um, we all intuitively know. We, we, we know everything in question. In point of fact, we know everything. Um, it's just again, comes back to having the bravery, the courage, the guts.

[00:50:45] To, to, to, to take hold of it and realize this is more important to me than anything else. How I'm seen, how I, people treat, you know, this is the most, this is who I am. And um, it's, it's [00:51:00] essential that we take hold of that. I think more and more, it's becoming, I think, more allowable, more acceptable to do that, um, you know, in various different ways.

[00:51:13] Um, but fundamentally, I think it's important. It's, it's, it's bringing, it's to bring love into the world. That's, that's the calling of each and every one of us. That goes beyond all kinds of gender, race, ethnicity, whatever, because we've all got this access to this same universal love. Whoever we are, however we are, let us bring that into the world.

[00:51:36] Savia Rocks: I've only got two more for you, Paul, but my, there's a question that I do want to Us you before my second teller. I know the time flies so fast. 

[00:51:45] Paul Nugent: I give low risk 

[00:51:49] Savia Rocks: My, my, I always love Using this question. When was the last time you felt totally at peace with yourself? 

[00:51:59] Paul Nugent: [00:52:00] Um,

[00:52:03] well I mentioned to you earlier on that I'd recently been in a, in an accident. Yeah. And because normally, um, I'd be very active. And I kind of prided myself on being active. I'm always, I'm busy, I do a lot, I get a lot done. And, you know, the surgery on my arm, the damage to my ribs, uh, the cuts, the bruises, the missing teeth, um, have slowed me down.

[00:52:40] And, um, so I'd say this was all five weeks ago, five weeks ago as of today. And throughout this past five weeks, Um, I've had to be still and, um, [00:53:00] and, and again, as I mentioned to you earlier, it's allowed me to actually appreciate the fact that I'm alive even though it's such a night. Um, but to come into the, into just this moment, okay.

[00:53:16] Um, I'm handicapped, uh, physically handicapped. At this time in my life, it's incredibly difficult to maybe even feed myself. I've got a steel plate in my elbow. Um, brush my teeth, all this kind of stuff. Um, and yet, It's, it's allowed me in, in, in, you know, by having to slow down, um, to,

[00:53:43] um, accept this, the, the present moment. And it's, as I said to you again earlier, it's been enormously rewarding. It's been a physical hit, but psychologically, um, it's been, [00:54:00] it's, it's, it's, you know, allowed a shaft of light to come. Yeah. 

[00:54:04] Savia Rocks: I know how that, I know how that feels. It's like a stillness within you that you must accept.

[00:54:13] Paul Nugent: Yeah, you have to, there's no doubt about it. 

[00:54:16] Savia Rocks: Yeah, no. Sometimes I embrace it, and sometimes I feel like, has it been forced onto me, and I must embrace it. learn to understand it. And there is a lesson to be learned. 

[00:54:28] Paul Nugent: I know exactly what you mean. But again, it's this sort of divinity that's shaping our air.

[00:54:33] That's 

[00:54:34] Savia Rocks: the one. Yeah, that is the one. 

[00:54:36] Paul Nugent: I mean, the last time I would say it was just over two years ago when my older brother suddenly died, um, uh, literally out of the clear blue sky. And it was devastating. He and his wife, six children, my parents, my father has since died. My mother thinks that it was. You know, she could see the onset of my father's illness or sickness [00:55:00] coming after he visited my brother's grave on the first anniversary of his death.

[00:55:04] Um, but, uh, I, I had to give the eulogy at my brother's funeral, and I actually said, and I said it's, you know, may sound very strange, but I think my brother had given us all a great gift. Um, because when the heart is broken, it allows us to get in touch with something very pure and very sacred. This feeling of love, and I think we all felt it.

[00:55:29] And yes, it was devastating to have lost my brother. And I can say, fortunately, we've all moved on. Except, including my brother, he's moved on, literally. Um, but anyway, he was 91 years of age. Um, but, in other words, what I'm saying, I had the unfortunate thing of the accident, uh, my brother's death. You can see them both as tragedies, but interestingly, if one's able to see these things in the right way, one can find, one can find [00:56:00] something in them, a lesson and even a beauty somewhere in there.

[00:56:04] I know that may of course sound very strange, um, but I think that is, is the case. 

[00:56:11] Savia Rocks: Now, I always say to people, Within every negativity that you think is a negativity, there is a beautifulness that can come from it. We just need to tap into it to find out what it is. 

[00:56:24] Paul Nugent: Exactly. 

[00:56:26] Savia Rocks: That's just purely how I always see life, and even when a challenge comes my way, I always say within the challenge there is a beauty that I must take from it, a lesson that I must take with it, and a sense of peace that will resonate with me within it.

[00:56:42] Paul Nugent: Have you still got one question? 

[00:56:44] Savia Rocks: I've still got one, but go for it. 

[00:56:46] Paul Nugent: Well, I mean, all of this reminds me of, of, of literally my favourite story, and I'll tell it very, very quickly. Um, of a Chinaman who has one horse. He's a poor Chinaman who lives in a village with one horse. One day a load of wild horses [00:57:00] come through the village and his only horse runs off with all the wild horses.

[00:57:03] So now he's got no horse. The villagers come round and they say, Oh dear, this is bad luck. He shrugs his shoulders and he says, Maybe. The next day his horse comes back with all the wild horses. He's got lots of horses. So their background is saying, Oh, this is good luck. He said, Maybe. Next day his son goes to ride one of the wild horses, gets thrown off and breaks his leg.

[00:57:23] Their background saying, oh, this is bad luck, shrugs his shoulders, maybe. The next day, the army comes to the village looking for young men to go and fight in the war, but they can't take his son because he's got a broken leg. The moral thing, and it's a wonderful moral, is we never know what's good or bad.

[00:57:38] You know, things appear to be bad, maybe, but they may, you know, it's like getting the snakes and ladders. You go down a snake, but actually, within a few shakes, you're further ahead. So, yeah, that's the divinity that is shaping our, we need to, a flow with the, and we need to, as the [00:58:00] saying goes, literally let go and let God.

[00:58:03] Um, and you come, you're quite right with this insecurity that we've got, we need stuff. We need stuff. No, we don't need stuff. Again, in the Nine Freedoms, Miles said to Six who gave the translation, he said, kill possession. We, we think, you know, Miles, the master Asterius, uh, who, from whom we take our name, we don't even possess our fingernail.

[00:58:24] It's, that's, it's not, you know, it's borrowed. It's borrowed sunlight. The whole thing is, it's all borrowed sun. The only thing we have is the spirit, which, which is, which is within each and every one of us. You cannot, you can, you know, there's a very wonderful relationship between the spirit and the soul.

[00:58:44] But the physical body, none of these things do we, can we possess. We don't, certainly don't own. There's no ownership in that sense. I don't want to sort of get into communistic speaking because it's got to be done spiritually. with a spiritual understanding. 

[00:58:57] Savia Rocks: Yes. Your final question, Sadia. [00:59:00] No, no, no, I liked it.

[00:59:02] I always like listening to when a guest has something to say and stories are always inspiring to me, so my final question is I would love for people to be able to buy your book, to be able to contact you and I think more people should contact you, Paul, because When you talk with the amount of passion that you do, you actually teach the world that they should nurture their emotions, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[00:59:29] And I think it's, it's a beautiful thing to be able to have and do. 

[00:59:33] Paul Nugent: Well, at the very, to answer that, right at the end of the book, um, I, I, I say, um, this is, rightly, I say, Meanwhile, if there's anything else you wish to know, and I am alive, please Us me. And if I am dead, please Us me. Still Us me. You never know.

[00:59:54] I may be listening and even answer. The book, um, [01:00:00] for now is available from Amazon. It's called Maya Maya, M A Y A M I R E, Maya Maya. Um, Maya being the Sanskrit word for illusion and Maya as in Quad Maya. We live in the Quad Maya of illusion. Um, it's available, of course, from Amazon. But I'm, uh, you know, there are algorithms with books, because there's a zillion books.

[01:00:27] Um, and, you know, bookstores, and it can only stock so many. Um, but it is obviously available from Amazon. Um, hopefully it will be available in bookstores as well. And that's it. Oh, you know, I've shut the door. Because I was worried that one of our two cats was going to come in and walk up on my lap or on this thing.

[01:00:49] My, my cats always do that. 

[01:00:52] Savia Rocks: I don't mind. I like my, my little one, the tiny one that I rescued. She jumped behind while we were doing the interview. [01:01:00] And then Echo, he decided to jump on front and I was like, Oh, okay. And I'm so used to it now that I'm like, Oh, okay. 

[01:01:07] Paul Nugent: Well, I was, I was a bit concerned. 

[01:01:11] Savia Rocks: Oh, no, no, I love, I love animals.

[01:01:13] I think animals show you how pure they are. Love is that's all they want is like cuddles and love and and strokes That's all they want and then they go off and wonder Wonder off and then they come back again. 

[01:01:29] Paul Nugent: I think they absorb a lot of our human pain as well 

[01:01:32] Savia Rocks: Yes, they do Animals absorb a lot of pain they do but they also heal as well.

[01:01:38] So what they do is they take it on They take it on shake it off Um, and they can feel it as well, but they have a higher pain threshold than a human As well. So I, I, I always love doing research and finding out about animals, especially if you're going to have one, you know, it's good to find out what makes them happy, [01:02:00] what makes them sad, how to nurture them, how to give them love, you know, don't ever shout at an animal.

[01:02:06] They don't understand what that is. Don't ever do that. You know, talking to an animal and, you know, And talking to an animal actually makes an animal live longer. I know we've gone on to a totally different subject, but I've, I've always thought it's a beautiful thing to be able to connect with an animal.

[01:02:25] And sometimes when you do communicate with them, they give you the answer, but just in their own True. Um, So no, definitely. So Paul, I want to say, thank you so much for taking your time to come on the Us People podcast and for showing your emotions, your kindness, but also letting people know that there's nothing wrong with being who you are as a person.

[01:02:48] Paul Nugent: Well, thank you, Sabia, and thank you for enabling me to be myself. 

[01:02:55] Savia Rocks: Hey, It takes, it works both ways. It [01:03:00] absolutely works both ways. Thank you so much, Paul. Thank you. And guys, I want to thank you so much for listening to the Us people podcast and please remember you can subscribe and leave us a review on Spotify, iTunes, Google play, and any other platform that you prefer listening to.

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[01:03:46] Take care.[01:04:00] 

[01:04:07] Through the darkness of the night, you'll be guided through the light.

[01:04:19] Paul Nugent: You're, you're a beautiful soul too, obviously you're a lot younger than I am, but you've already found your 

[01:04:26] Savia Rocks: niche and that's lovely to see. Behind. So of courage, you can win if you try redirect this to you. You'll see the, and yes, if you try

[01:04:52] like a.[01:05:00] 

[01:05:07] Spread your wings and let the wind glide you high We're just soaring through this journey Leaving fear far behind Our hearts are full of courage You can win if you try Redirect the S to you You'll see the power of the S if you try I fly like I'm Superman Spread your wings and let the wind blow. I fly like I'm Superman.

[01:05:40] Spread your wings and let the wind blow. I fly like I'm Superman.