Undefined With Purpose - Joshua Singh - Release Manager at AWAL - Season 5 - #220

Joshua Singh - Finding Authenticity and Empowerment in the Music Industry

Savia Rocks dives into an insightful conversation with Joshua Singh, Release Manager, musician, and a beacon of creativity and authenticity within the music industry.

This episode of the Us People podcast, hosted by Savia Rocks, navigates the waters of diversity, empowerment, and the personal journey of self-discovery through the lens of Joshua's life experiences. From navigating the challenges of the music industry to finding one's voice amidst adversity, Joshua shares his compelling story of personal growth, the dynamics of the music industry, and the power of staying true to oneself.

You will leave inspired, empowered, and with a deeper understanding of the importance of authenticity in the creative world.

00:00 Welcome to Season Five: Embracing Creativity and Diversity
01:00 Celebrating Five Years of the Us People Podcast
01:34 Introducing Joshua: Musician and Release Manager at AWAL
03:15 Joshua's Journey: From Birmingham to the Brit School
08:54 The Challenges of Balancing Creativity and Education
18:47 Finding Identity and Authenticity in a Changing World
26:22 Navigating the Pandemic: Reflections and Growth
32:34 A Day in the Life of a Digital Promotions Coordinator /  Release Manager 
38:53 The Ins and Outs of Music Distribution
41:17 Advice for Aspiring Music Industry Professionals
51:44 Navigating Diversity and Representation in the Music Industry
01:04:25 Personal Reflections and Future Aspirations
01:09:22 Connecting with Joshua: Social Media and Music
01:12:32 Closing Thoughts and Podcast Outro

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshua-singh-190/?originalSubdomain=uk

“When we let go of strict definitions, we allow purpose to emerge in its most authentic and transformative form ” - Savia Rocks

Transcript

Savia Rocks: 0:00

Hey guys, we made it to season five of the us people podcast. I'm your host Savia rocks. And in this season, we aim to empower and embrace creativity through diversity. As we dive into the fascinating stories and experiences of a diverse range of individuals. Highlighting their unique perspectives and creative endeavors from artists and entrepreneurs to innovators and activists. We celebrate the power of diversity in driving creativity and fostering positive change. Join us as we engage in thought provoking conversations like. I made myself intentionally homeless. In pursuit of my purpose,

J Harris: 0:41

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Mel: 0:49

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Savia Rocks: 0:59

So guys. I just want to say thank you for supporting the us people podcast for the past five years. And we look forward to sharing another new theme song with you. Let's go. Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the us people podcast. I'm your host Savvy Rocks and today I'm humbled to have the lovely. Joshua here with me. Joshua is a digital and promotions coordinator, as well as being a humble yet talented musician. Joshua, I want to thank you so much for coming on the Yes People podcast. How are you today?

Joshua Singh: 1:55

Um, very well, thank you. Thank you so much for having me. How are you?

Savia Rocks: 1:58

Oh, wow, somebody else! You know what, this is the year for using me how I am because I've had it four times in a row where a guest has humbly used me how I am. You know what, it shocks me every time. I don't know why. It really does. I think it's important to us, you know? No, it definitely is. Um, I'm really good. You put me in that shock state. You put me in that shock state, Joshua. I didn't apologize. I didn't mean to shock you. No, no, no. It's a nice thing. It's a beautiful thing. I'm really well. I'm actually really happy to be here with you to do this interview. And like I've said to you even before we started the recording, Joshua, you could have been anywhere else, but you decided to be here with me. to do the recording and help so many other people. So I'm feeling great. Thank

Joshua Singh: 2:46

you. So, yeah, no, I'm, I'm really humbled to be able to have this opportunity and to be able to do this. So thank you.

Savia Rocks: 2:53

Perfect. So my first question for you, Joshua is, I would love to know more about who you are as an individual and a person, but could you break down a little bit about where you were brought up and how that influenced you to be the person who you are today?

Joshua Singh: 3:10

Wow, gosh. Um, so, where to begin? I, so I grew up in Birmingham. I was born in Birmingham. Um, was there for the first 19 years of my life. Um, and yeah, I mean, I went to a grammar school, so it was kind of, um, it was interesting because, like, you know, creative stuff wasn't, um, I Particularly encouraged. I, I wouldn't say, I remember we had a drama class in, in our first year in year seven, and then they got rid of it, they got rid of it off the curriculum entirely. We didn't have food tech, which I didn't realize. Everyone, everyone else that I've spoken to, um, you know, that, that went to a, a school in the UK had food tech and we never had that.

Savia Rocks: 4:00

I had it too.

Joshua Singh: 4:01

Yeah. There, there you go. Yeah. And so to, to know everyone else was having felt. Oh my gosh, I missed out on like a, you know, potentially a really crucial, because I think actually food tech is probably one of those things. It's, it's a life, you know, it's life skills. And so I think actually for quite a long time it was kind of you know, the creative stuff and, and in terms of music, we had music, but probably wasn't pushed as, as much as, all the other subjects. And I loved maths. Maths was probably my, my next go to, and I continued to do that up until A level. Um, but it was kind of among those things where I think I kind of had to force myself to kind of, it was, I was torn between two worlds really, because it was a case Do I go a more traditional way of you know, maths, or science, or law, or

Savia Rocks: 5:01

I like the way you said that. If you could see Joshua's face when he said, oh god, law.

Joshua Singh: 5:09

I mean, yeah, I mean, it's one of those things that I'm personally, I, I don't think it would ever be for me, but you know, it's one of those things that get put, that's get, that gets pushed onto you, especially True. In the traditional sense of, you know, being from an Asian background Mm-Hmm. Um, you are either expected to be a doctor or a barrister or solicitor So, um, I, you know, I was toying with the idea at one point and I can't even believe, like I look back at it now and I can't believe that I ever thought about it, like, about being a barrister. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be a barrister. I was not going to be a barrister That was, that, that was not in my future. Um, and. Yeah, so it was, you know, thinking about those kinds of things and then thinking, do I want to do something more creative? And I mean, when you're younger, you don't really think about it too much. You kind of just go down a route that works for you. And so when I finished school, um, I went to my first college. So I went to two colleges and the first college, um, I was able to kind of go down a more creative route. I, I did, I stuck with maths and I did English literature, uh, which I, in the end absolutely despised. Yeah, that's just a whole other story. Um. And then I did theatre studies, and I did music technology, and I only ended up staying there for a year, because I started thinking about the idea of applying for Brit School, but I was in Birmingham at the time, so there, I remember talking to somebody on the phone at the Brit School, and they said, Oh, we're opening one up in Birmingham, and it was the Birmingham Ormiston Academy, and it was Brit School funded, and And so I ended up, I thought, on a whim, I'll apply. Let's just see what happens, see where the, see where the world takes me. And got an audition, did all of that. And yeah, they offered me a place. And so I was like, oh, I was not expecting that. Um, like, what, what do I do? Do, do I stick with, you know, you know, my first college and stick this out, or do I go down this route? And, I don't know, it was actually a really hard decision. It was, A really tough decision, especially as like a 17, 17 year old at the time. And because it was newly opened, it was a case of, okay, do I go to this place and go to this, you know, um, school and, um, technically be a guinea pig because that's what we would be. Because. it's a brand new place, they don't really have anything in, you know, in place. They've never done this before. So it was, it was hard. It was actually a really hard decision to make. And I thought in the end, what have I got to lose? Um, I've already, I've already done a year here. And I think in my experience, looking back at it, it was, it was great. It was amazing on, on, in one sense, but then in another sense, I don't think I was enjoying it. I think theater studies was definitely not for me. I can 100 percent it actually put me off acting for the rest of my life. Um, yeah, I, so I was actually also part of a, uh, theater, um, in Birmingham. It was called the Crescent New Theater. So I was actually doing that on the side of all of my AS levels. And what ended up happening was that theater studies were expecting you to, you know, take up a lot of your time with, with them, with rehearsals and, you know, and it was very demanding. They were very demanding. And the youth theatre were also expecting us to put in probably a good six, seven hours, I think. And that was probably two days a week. And so I remember at one point I was talking to, you know, the head of theatre studies and I was talking to the head of the youth theatre and I said, look, you guys have to organise amongst yourselves. the rehearsal times for me, because I'm actually, I'm caught between, and not only that, I was then neglecting all my other studies, and I was neglecting English literature and music technology and maths, and my maths tutor at one point, you know, he specifically said to me, he said, You know, you are donating so much of your time to them that you're now falling behind in maths. And I'm, you know, like you have a lot of potential, this, you know, this isn't going to reflect well on you. And I said, well, like, I can only do what I'm technically being told. You know, if I'm being sent here and sent there, and then I'm, I'm getting the flack for it. Yeah. You know, it's, you know, if I have to be somewhere, I have to be somewhere, you know, you guys have to sort it amongst yourselves to make sure that, you know. I'm that everyone's happy and you know it's one it's one of those situations I mean it was it's hard as well as like a 16 I mean I was 16 at the time and so you can't really say to them no because it's it's compulsory isn't it it's it's your education and it's something that you've opted in to do but also if you're being given all this you know stuff and that you're just kind of wanting to do it and please everyone but then you're also getting like you're getting lectured by. It was, it was really hard. It was actually really, really difficult. And, um, I think that actually took away a lot of the enjoyment from the whole entire college experience and also acting. I just, in the end, didn't really just didn't enjoy it.

Savia Rocks: 11:13

Do you feel like too many people were interfering in what you wanted to do rather than giving you the space to say, Joshua, make your own decision and enjoy it. But they were involving themselves. And kind of making your decisions for you or trying to

Joshua Singh: 11:31

possibly very possibly I think I think I think perhaps it was also I can't exactly, you know, relinquish all accountability for it. And, you know, I think it was a case of perhaps I bit off too much. What's that saying? bit off too much that I could chew. I think that's, yeah, yeah. And so I think it was also that, but then it was also on the other end of it was, it was almost taking advantage of a situation where, you know, you know, you tell me to be somewhere and then I'll be there. And I was stretching myself so thin and just trying and allowing these people to, you know, dictate to me, you know, where I should be and what I should be doing and asserting all this pressure. And it, it was a lot, it was a lot because obviously I just kind of wanted to get on with it and do it. But it was that, you know, there's going to be a breaking point and there's going to be a point where I will get fed up and I will get stressed out. And I remember specifically towards the end of, The year, and um, we were doing rehearsals for Theatre Studies, and it was, it was so, it was honestly such a bizarre setup. I remember, so there was, there were two teachers for Theatre Studies. One of them ended up getting, um, suspended for, yeah, it was, it was really, I don't know what happened. There was loads of rumors going around, and um, I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna repeat the rumors because, you know, I want to know,

Savia Rocks: 13:07

maybe that's, maybe that's after the show.

Joshua Singh: 13:10

But yeah, yeah, I'll tell you after the show. Um, but so, so he got suspended. So it was this one poor guy and I did feel for him because he was having to kind of manage, I think, six plays with, was it six plays? Six different shows for us. And then he was having to do all the A level. So he was stretched really thin, but my gosh, did he have a temper on him and he would just explode and typical, typical kind of creative, you know, theater world, I think, looking back in it where you're like, okay, this guy is, I mean, he's stressed, but he's also probably just a typical theater person who's just a, you know, occasionally very, actually, oh, no, I shouldn't say that, should I? That's probably quite offensive. Um, no, I think you're just being honest. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, yeah, I would very much probably say it was the case. He would just snap and he'd get really angry. And then he'd just shout if, if you got one little thing wrong. And obviously, given my predicament, I was also very stressed. And I just remember we had the hugest argument. Everyone was really shocked because I just exploded and I was shouting back at him. And it was very ugly. And that was kind of my breaking point where I was like that. That's a point where I, you know, never wanted to get to that, you know, it's not a point that anyone ever wants to get to. Um, and I think knowing that I'd, I'd lost my composure and I'd, you know, lost any sense of being able to kind of just keep myself, you know, level was a point where I actually wanted to opt out and I just wanted to, to leave. And I said to him, I said, I don't want to do this anymore. And. Unfortunately, it was towards the end of the year when assessments were coming, and so he was like, well, I don't think that's really an option right now. You know, but almost at the end, I think you just need to do it. And so I agreed, but it was something that I didn't really, didn't really want to do it. Don't want to do it anymore. And in the end, actually, I got my lowest, my lowest grade was for theatre studies. And so, yeah, and so it was kind of like, I spent all this time, I donated so much of my time and energy to this thing that I wasn't, my heart wasn't really in it and ended up getting the lowest grade for it anyway.

Savia Rocks: 15:49

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's because your heart definitely wasn't in it. And I think it's because you felt from hearing your story, it sounds to me like you felt it. Slightly forced to do, and we've all been, well, I can definitely say I've been in a similar predicament, um, being forced into something doesn't make you want to do your best in something. So that's definitely something I always tell him. And if you don't want to do it. Now that obviously I'm a lot older, you turn around and say Savidusa and then no, it's a lot different now, but it's good to have your own opinion. It's good to have your own strength as well. And I totally understand where you're coming from with that. Definitely.

Joshua Singh: 16:37

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, like you said, I think it's different, you know, 10 years on because, you know, and, and I think that was perhaps the beginning of, of. of me being able to kind of just take a, take a stand for things and just be like, no, I don't want to do that. And I think perhaps me opting to, you know, move to this new place was me being able to take control of, of, of a situation and just being able to kind of just say, Hey, screw it. This is what I want to do. Yeah. And knowing that I wanted to go into a more musical route, because I loved music, music technology. And actually my tutor at the first college was, he was brilliant. You know, the music technology teacher, he really saved my bacon on a lot of instances. And he was very supportive. And just knowing that. There was another community and you know, the music, you know, the industry and the people there was so much more supportive. It felt way more like a, like a family vibe to me. And you know, that's just my personal, you know, feelings towards it. And so it, it was kind of almost like, Oh, I think music is probably more where I would fit. Yeah.

Savia Rocks: 18:00

That makes sense. That definitely makes sense to me. Joshua. Wow. I know that. You've broken down obviously your upbringing and your background for me, but I would love to know This is quite a tricky question. So I would love to know he's smiling. I would love to know more About how you define from going through what you've been going through or gone through How would you define yourself as a person? But also when you look in the mirror, what does your Reflections say back to you as a person and on the reverse side of that question, has there ever been the moment where you have looked in the mirror, Joshua, and not recognized the person staring back at you?

Joshua Singh: 18:43

Oh, many questions there. Um, how I define, you see, I went through a period where I was like, Oh, how would I define myself? Like, who am I? And I think one of the things I've always took taking comfort in, is that I don't, I don't tend to define myself because, and, I feel like I just am. And the reason that I don't define myself is because I think people, people change all the time. Their temperaments change all the time. Their circumstances change all the time. And I think every day you can be A different person. I'm not saying and I'm not saying, you know, like your completely new personality, but just in, in terms of your temperaments and, and the way that you are. Yes. I think things can change for you all the time and, you know, different situations and so it, it's something that I've always just said. I, I just am, I, I don't feel the need to, to define myself because it's. I'm just, I'm just me, like, sometimes it, you know, it can be, um, I don't know, I don't even know the words for it, you know, it's, it's, yeah, I, yeah, perhaps, perhaps it's my, my way of being like, I'm not very good at defining myself, but I think it's more, Yeah, I, I just am. And I think if, if I think too much about it, that's where you start to perhaps be, yeah. Yeah. And it gets complicated. And then suddenly, I think you're trying to, if you're defining yourself, you're trying to, you're trying to find ways of being a person that you want to be and not actually being the person that you are.

Savia Rocks: 20:49

Yes, that's true.

Joshua Singh: 20:51

If I'm saying, oh, I'm confident, and I'm not confident, then, you know, and perhaps some people, some people need that, and some people want that, and obviously it's always good to, you know, strive towards, you know, goals and, and certain, you know, personality aspects that are admirable in a person. Um, but for me, I just don't think it's ever really worked. I think if I, yeah, it complicates it for me and then I start being a bit more too self conscious and that's something that I don't like. I don't, I don't want to be self conscious. I don't want to dilute myself in any way. I just kind of want to be completely, you know, entirely me authentically.

Savia Rocks: 21:36

Which is how you should be.

Joshua Singh: 21:38

Yeah, agreed. I think everyone should, you know, be able to express themselves entirely in the way that, you know, they see fit and you're not, you're never going to, you're not going to please everyone. You'll never please anyone.

Savia Rocks: 21:54

That's true.

Joshua Singh: 21:56

So screw it.

Savia Rocks: 21:58

I like the fact that you said that afterwards because I was waiting for that part.

Joshua Singh: 22:02

Yeah. Yeah.

Savia Rocks: 22:05

No, go on, after you.

Joshua Singh: 22:07

No, um, in terms of the second, second question, looking in the mirror and not recognising myself, um, I don't know. I honestly don't know. It's, I mean, you know, I, I will be on, I think, I think, yes. I, I don't, I, I think there has probably been a time where I, I haven't recognised myself. I don't know when that would be. I think when it's, it's When you're compromising yourself, and it's in a situation where you don't have respect for yourself.

Savia Rocks: 22:47

Yes.

Joshua Singh: 22:48

That's where I would probably say I haven't recognized myself. Because I, I feel like one thing that people have always said to me is that I don't, I won't stand for a lot of things, or you know, like things that I won't stand for. I, I won't take, I won't take things that I don't, Don't take, ugh, what's the word? Gosh. I'm trying to say this without swearing. You won't take bullshit. Okay, there we go. Yeah, I won't take bullshit. That's exactly it. I was, I was, I was trying to be diplomatic about it, but never mind.

Savia Rocks: 23:24

No, you can swear all you want on here, I tell you.

Joshua Singh: 23:26

Amazing. Amazing. That, that, that's good to know.

Savia Rocks: 23:34

I love that. I love the way you were, you were trying not to swear for a while. And I thought, no, come on, Joshua. Just, just let it out. Just let it be. I've been trying so hard not to swear. Just let it be. Just, just let it out. You can say what you want.

Joshua Singh: 23:48

That's, okay. All right. That, that changes a lot of things. Um. But, no, I, I, okay, so, right, let's, let's rewind that a little bit. A lot of people have said to me that I will not take shit. Right. And so when I do take shit, it, you know, it, it kind of kills something inside of me, I think. When I'm just allowing certain things to, to happen. And, Then you kind of leave that situation and you're like, oh, oh that's I allowed that and that's something that I think I've never really It's been in my nature that I've never really done that. And I think for, for a while I would do that. And yeah, so looking in the mirror for some time, it would definitely be a case of, Oh, I felt completely diluted as a person, but that's not so much here anymore. So I'm glad I don't have to worry, don't have to worry about, I, I say I don't have to worry about it, but I think it can always creep back up, can't it? And I think that it, it's a humbling experience when, you know, you, you, you lose a, a portion of yourself for some time because then you realize, oh, it can, it can happen and it can happen to you. It can happen to any one of us. And. You know, it, it, it, it's always that it could always, it could always come at any point. Um, but obviously it's important that you do the work to make sure that that doesn't happen.

Savia Rocks: 25:31

Yeah, that's true. But sometimes I think,

Joshua Singh: 25:36

sorry,

Savia Rocks: 25:36

no, no, no. I was just going to say, sometimes I know things are slightly out of our control. We've been life and chances and experiences and they mold us into the people who we become. Um, I definitely do agree with you that I can see, obviously the listeners can't see, but I can see through what you are saying and your energy of what you are saying that it seems to me that you've been through enough for you to express the experiences without even saying them. So, yeah. If that makes sense.

Joshua Singh: 26:19

Yeah. No, yeah, it does. Yeah, definitely. And um, I think, I think that, I mean, I, I would like to think for a lot of people, especially at the moment, I think the pandemic has, I, I have actually, it's probably a very unpopular opinion. I've really appreciated the pandemic and, and, and to some extent enjoyed it. And not because it's been amazing to, you know, see people, you know, struggling and you know, all the horrible things that have been happening, but from a personal perspective, I think it's been great to be able to, like, you have no other choice but to sit here and self reflect and you know, living in the world that we live in, you don't get a lot of chances these days to be able to do that and to be with yourself and just to kind of like rediscover yourself and kind of figure out, hey, like, where have you been going wrong for the past 10 years? Do you know what I mean? It's, it, you know, it's been, you know, really nice just to be able to kind of be with yourself again and just kind of, I, I hate to say the word'cause it sounds really, I dunno, la but recalibrate.

Savia Rocks: 27:41

Yes, I understand it.

Joshua Singh: 27:43

Yeah. Um, and just, yeah. And, and re re-figure that, that stuff out. And so I think that is, I think it's definitely something that, um, has been good for me and, and, and I think without people realizing it, you know, I, I have a lot of friends who are like, you know, I don't, don't wanna be by myself and I don't wanna be able to have to self-reflect, but I think it's good for them. I think, you know. Uncomfortable situations are good for us. It encourages growth.

Savia Rocks: 28:13

Yes, that's true. And I think it also challenges your mental health a lot as well. That's one of the biggest ones that it challenges because we all have mental health, happy or sad or depressed or whatever it might be. We all have mental health, which this pandemic has definitely challenged. I think it's definitely challenged our whole mental health on us as a human being, um, which is brought a lot of good things and compassion as well and kindness within us. It's made us, it's made a lot of people angry. So that's definitely, that's definitely something. So no, I totally understand where you're coming from with that, but I see the positives within it. Also, um, and I think I found a lot more peace within myself. Um, which is actually a question I would love to us you. How have, have, when was the last time Joshua you found peace within yourself?

Joshua Singh: 29:10

Hmm. Ah,

Savia Rocks: 29:12

he's thinking I like it.

Joshua Singh: 29:13

Wow. Um, Probably quite recently, actually.

Savia Rocks: 29:19

That's a good thing. I think, I think it's something,

Joshua Singh: 29:24

I think it's something I personally go back and forth with and it kind of like, it's like a roller coaster. It goes up and down. Um, so, you know, you have this wave of you know, whatever it is. And then you kind of, you just come back down and then you're like, okay, peace. And it, you know, it, it, it takes work.

Savia Rocks: 29:50

Yes, it always takes

Joshua Singh: 29:52

work. But, um, I think It's when you're doing it for yourself, and you're doing it for your own state of mind, I think that's important. Because if you're not at a point where you want to do it for yourself, then you're not going to do it. And, you know, if you don't have that love for yourself and that respect for yourself, that is where you, you won't care to do it. You won't care to try and find that peace.

Savia Rocks: 30:28

Yeah, true.

Joshua Singh: 30:29

Um, yeah, I think, yeah, I think, like you said, all the emotions that we have been experiencing in the pandemic, um, anger and just all of it. I think what has always helped me is a bit of perspective.

Savia Rocks: 30:49

Yes.

Joshua Singh: 30:50

And, you know, it could always be worse.

Savia Rocks: 30:57

I agree.

Joshua Singh: 30:57

As bad as some things are. There's always someone out there that's worse off.

Savia Rocks: 31:03

Yeah, definitely. I wish more people thought like that.

Joshua Singh: 31:09

It is, it is a hard, hard mentality to adopt and a mentality that, you know, it's been, you know, hard for me to also adopt at times. But yeah, I think that is kind of one of this, one of the things that has always helped. And so that helps with, with peace a lot actually, because just, just being here and being now and being in the present, it, that's kind of, that's all you really have. The past is gone. All of that. It's done. The future isn't here yet. So it's kind of, you're here, you're happy, or well, you might be happy, but, but you're here, you're here in your present and you're alive and you're healthy, hopefully. It's, it's all we have. It's all anyone has at the moment.

Savia Rocks: 32:05

Yeah, that's true. That's definitely true. I want to break, I want to break down more about you because especially, let's talk about what you love doing. Okay, a bit more about what you love doing. So you do, you're a digital and promotions coordinator. I would love for you to break that down. for the listeners. Yeah, I like that. I would love for you to break that down because I'm sure there are many different avenues of work that you do within that. But could you break down a day in your life where if I was following you with a camera from the moment you woke up in the morning to The part where you go to sleep. How would you break down your day for me as what you do as a digital promotions, uh, coordinator?

Joshua Singh: 32:54

Wow. Um, okay. Oh, where do I begin? Um, right. So, promotions, so there's digital and then there's promotions. And I guess they kind of go hand in hand. The, the thing that I always detected, especially at, uh, my company is that when I first started there, there wasn't a lot of, um, emphasis or, or, or just acknowledgement of the digital era and streaming and all of that kind of stuff. I went in as a promotions intern. And so that was, that was the beginning of, of my career, I guess. And so promotions in turn, I would promote releases, I would send out press releases to independent radio stations across the UK and I would try to, uh, gather interviews or airplay and that was basically what I started to do at the beginning and from then on it's kind of increased and I still, we still do PR so that's, it's basically promotions is, is the PR, it's public relations and I, you know, send out press releases to, uh, independent radio stations often. national press and independent press, uh, and then sometimes TV, but, you know, that's kind of more, I guess, independent, regional kind of places, you know, specific things and I will promote the releases, try and get reviews, try and get press, try and get, um, interviews and all of that kind of stuff, airplay. And then on the other side of things, I've also tried to get brand partnerships. So I got actually a couple of, um, Coffee Shop Radio Tours. Coffee Shop Radio Tours? Coffee Shop Tours for Café Nero. Yes. For some of our artists. So we got, for this duo, we got Artists of the Month, they got their songs played across, you know, I think all of their 800 stores in the UK. And they also toured, uh, a handful of them stores, so they went up to Manchester, they did Leeds, they did so many places, they did quite a few stores in London, they went down to Brighton, it was yeah, it was, it was really great actually, and You know, they went up on the website, Artists of the Month, and that was actually a relationship that I initiated with Cafe Nero and, you know, kind of continued that relationship. And we did a few more coffee shop tours with other artists. And yeah, that, you know, that was kind of another part of my role. And it's kind of just escalated in that sense. I started taking over social media. Sorry, bitch. you know, um, and that was, this was the kind of moving on to the digital side. Because then, you know, I would be saying, you know, we need to start acknowledging Spotify more. They would kind of always, you know, put a lot of emphasis onto iTunes. And I think a lot of the music industry was trying to, um, I think before 2015, they were, they were refusing to acknowledge streaming. They were just saying, oh, we want people to to buy the song, we want people to, you know, buy the physical product. And I'm like, but that's not the way people are consuming things anymore. And if, if you're refusing to acknowledge a whole demographic of people, you're going to lose out on a lot of custom. You're going to lose out on a whole group of people that are going to be very beneficial to you in different ways. and so actually it took me quite a long time being there for me to push that and I just had to be very resilient with it and I had to just keep pushing it and keep pushing it and that's something that's also been integrated into my role so when we have artists come in I will advise them on you know what we need to do in terms of streaming and digital and and the ways that they can boost their profile

Savia Rocks: 37:28

yes

Joshua Singh: 37:29

we don't necessarily manage their social media. So it's just, it's up to us. You know, it's all about collaboration at the end of the day. And so I have to encourage collaboration with these artists and just say, Hey, we cannot be doing every like, like we cannot carry you. It has to be, you know, it has to be two ways. You have to be putting in the works that we can put in the works that you can put in. Do you know what I mean? It's, You know, it's a cycle, you know, it's a circle. It's not a one way street. And some artists don't take too kindly to that. But, you know, it, but it's the truth. And I think if you go into, you know, this, I mean, I don't know what it's like, other industries, but if you go into this industry with just, oh, they're going to do everything for me. Then, you're not going to get very far, really. And obviously I have to, I have to say that to, to artists in a nicer way, um, in a more diplomatic way. I can't, you know, I can't just go around saying what I just said, but you know, I have to just, I have to be like, you know, this is a, it's a collaboration, you know, you have to help us help you. And so yeah, that, that's also been a part of. My role, I set up, um, all the releases for digital streaming platforms, DSPs. Yes. Um, yeah, so I send, I basically collate all the data. So that would be, um. music files, so WAV files, the artwork, the digital artwork. Then I have to create a spreadsheet, uh, which is really fun. I actually love it. I love spreadsheets. It's really sad. Um, and I have to get all the information. So the artist names, the, the track names, the durations, the songwriter, um, details, and the split publishing, and just everything, whether it's an explicit track or not. Um, album title, then you've got the barcode numbers, you've got that specific ISRC numbers to the tracks. Um, and I put that all into a cute little spreadsheet, and I'll send that over to the distributors. And we have to kind of coordinate it with with. Dates and release dates and making sure it's in on time. Then you also have to send to the distributors, the press release, which either I will create or, um, my colleague will create. Uh, yeah. Then I also assist in setting up physical stuff. So we create the physical product, you know, with the CDs and get that manufactured and then get that out to, physical distributors.

Savia Rocks: 40:31

Yeah.

Joshua Singh: 40:31

Um, who will then obviously pass it on to HMV or Amazon. And I feel like that is it. I mean, there's, there's probably, there's probably more. I'm sure there's a

Savia Rocks: 40:47

lot more, but you do an extreme amount of work when it comes to, you know, Working in the industry because I remember you saying before we even started recording, you do so many different types of things. It's hard to specify and put in one specific box what you do. And I'm glad that you just broke it down so that people can understand not a hundred percent of what you do, but a good amount of what you do. So if they. Would like to go into the industry that you're in they have some kind of understanding Yeah, well if someone wanted to go into a similar field like yours What would your advice be to them?

Joshua Singh: 41:33

Well, I remember when I was 17, I um, came to London to have a meeting with somebody at Universal. And she kind of sat down with me. She was like, what do you want to do? And I was like, Oh, I don't know. I just want to like do, you know, just be in music and just do this or do this. And she was like, right, okay, well, we've got this, this and this and it's all in a different. sections. What I would say to somebody is, do you research? That is, you know, that we are very, you know, great point in our lives where we have the internet. Yes. And the internet can, it can be a really weird place, but it can also be an amazing place. It can be, you know, it's full of information. It's full of, you know, brilliant resources and tools for people And if you use the internet in the right ways, it can really, really help you. And, you know, it's a case of do your research, see the different areas of the music industry, look at, you know, internships, you know, internships that are available to you. Um, you know, there's, there's, you know, all different major label companies. They once a year have, you know, uh, a round of, of, uh, people and internships available. So, you know, if, if you can, I mean, I know it's hard, you know, if you're 16, you're probably not going to be, but obviously you don't even have to be 16. You could, you could be a bit later on in your life. We're at a point where, you know, people have career changes at 40. It, you know, it's, it's never too late. and it's a case of looking at what's available to you and seeing what, like, what are your passions, what are your interests, write things down, write what you enjoy, write what, you know, you think that you'd want to go into. And, you know, I, I was very lucky that I, I went to a smaller company and because that allowed me to explore all different aspects of the industry. Yeah. And, you know, I, I say to everybody, it's, it's my professional playground because it allows me to, as much as, you know, doing PR and, and, um, setting up releases, those are probably two of my, my primary roles and, and that's where, you know, promotions and digital comes into it. But also, I'm able to, I can very easily explore other areas, you know, my manager, you know, he will often tell me about, um, Oh God, what was it? I can't even think of it now. Oh God, that's awful. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna like. I, I can, I'm, it's in my head but I can't remember the actual terms for it. So basically it's when, um, you have to get clearances for certain tracks that you want to be used in, say, a compilation or a musical.

Savia Rocks: 44:57

Oh, yes.

Joshua Singh: 44:58

Yeah.

Savia Rocks: 45:00

Publishing clear, publishing clear, publishing clearances. Yeah. Yeah. So what you, what you do is you call, um, we had a guy named Charles where I was working and he would do, or he, he, he's in charge of the, the mechanical royalties and, and the, well, they don't call it PRS. They call it PRS for music now, I do believe. Yeah. But you have to go for all the clearances first. You have to for copyright reasons, obviously. And if there's sub publishers who also own it, so sub publishers are the ones who, um, if you're in a different country, they will do it everything for you and go back to the main publisher and say, look, we've done this. So I understand what you're, you're saying. So they would go to, for instance, Charles and say, Charles, we need this track for 30 seconds or however long. Can you get it cleared and back to us? By this time, and it's been quite funny. I've had people calling up so many times because they can't get through, but they need this track for a certain time on a certain day to have it ready for a commercial or for a film or something, just like you're saying. So yeah, no, I understand it.

Joshua Singh: 46:14

Yeah. Yeah, and obviously, you know, you pay, you know, a certain amount, whether it's, you know, 10, 000 or whatever for, for, for this particular track. Um, but obviously, you know, he'll, he'll come to me and he'll tell me about these things. And, and, you know, he's, he said to me in the past, I remember, I think there was one point where I was just feeling a little bit deflated and a little bit unmotivated. And I think, I think I'm kind of an obvious person, to be honest. I think everything, my face. Speaks volumes. Yes, it does. And so, you know, I think it's a blessing and a curse at the same time because when I'm trying to hide certain emotions I'm feeling, um, I, I can't. So, um, and especially, you know, in the professional world, it's not something that I, you know, I want to let on that, you know, that I'm feeling a certain way or whatever, but it's a human thing and it is what it is. But, um, I remember when I got to that point and he said to me, he was like, is there anything that you want to, you know, explore? Is there anything that, you know, that you want to be doing? Um, and I was like, yeah, I think there's probably some other things. And he was like, well, you need to communicate then, don't you? And I was like, oh shit. I was like, that is like, it just, it blew my mind. Cause I mean, I think I just got myself into this like rut or whatever, where I just wasn't. you know, I wasn't actively seeking, you know, what I wanted to kind of pursue next or, you know, what I wanted to specifically, you know, maneuver myself into. And him just saying that simple thing, he needs to communicate. I was like, Oh yeah. Yeah, I forgot about that. Communication. Yeah, it's a wonderful thing, isn't it? So, and, and, but that, you know, that really did, it opened my mind and it just kind of reminded me like, Oh, hold on a second. Like people are willing to help you. People want to, Yeah, they do.

Savia Rocks: 48:24

I think I've learned that more now.

Joshua Singh: 48:27

Yeah. And I mean, yeah, the whole purpose of this podcast, you know, it's, it's to help people. And, you know, I think we sometimes get ourselves into this mentality of, oh, like, you know, no, like they're not going to help me. Oh, they're not going to, but it's like, but you haven't used, you haven't tried. So if, and I was very much in that mindset for a very long time. And it got to the point of, if you don't us, you don't get. True. and if, what's the worst thing they can say? No. If they say no, you move on and you us someone else. So, you know, it's, you know, and, and I'm very fortunate that a lot of people have, you know, tried to help me and, you know, have, you know, put me in, in the right areas and, you know, but the, you know, the team at my company have been really great and very supportive. And, yeah, it's, it's been, it's been really fun and it's, you know. a way to just explore what, you know, what I want to do and, and, and my passions. The music industry is a minefield and you know, it's, it's really difficult to, to, to figure out where you place yourself sometimes.

Savia Rocks: 49:53

That's true.

Joshua Singh: 49:54

And, you know, and, and I think I can speak for so many people when you go into one thing and then you figure out, Oh, I don't want to do enjoy that. Yeah. But I think the beauty of it is, is that. You can always, you can always try something else. You can always move into something else. So, um, yeah, I think it's, I think it's really, it really is a case of research and also just exploring, like try out that internship, try out that certain thing, um, speak to people, you know, um, have conversations with people, try and, you know, just see where, see where your strengths lie and where your passions lie.

Savia Rocks: 50:43

Yes.

Joshua Singh: 50:44

Someone once said to me, um, if you're not having fun in this industry, then you're in the wrong industry.

Savia Rocks: 50:50

That's true. That is very true.

Joshua Singh: 50:53

If it's, if it's not fun for you, then why are you doing it? And, and, and, and I think that, you know, that it's so important. You, you want to enjoy your work. You spend, you know, 70, probably going to be 75 percent of our lives, you know, In, in work. And you want, you know, you want to enjoy it.

Savia Rocks: 51:14

That's true. No, that's good advice to give people actually. That is really my next question is I'm only allowed to say the question once. So I'm not allowed to repeat it. Okay. Right. So I'm going to say it. So power, love, perception, culture, judgment, health, class. Privilege, diversity, race, suppression. Talk to me about which ones have just resonated with you that you remember and that you would like to talk about. Ooh.

Joshua Singh: 51:55

Oh.

Savia Rocks: 51:57

Oh God, that was a, it's a lot of words. Uh,

Joshua Singh: 52:05

diversity, diversity struck a chord with me. Um.

Savia Rocks: 52:21

Go on, say it. Um,

Joshua Singh: 52:27

I, okay, so my experiences in the music industry so far, I would have to say there's not a major amount of diversity. Um, I think even actually going as far back as, as being a kid, I remember 2005, I can pinpoint the year, um, where, you know, the, the entire, the entire time that I've been a music consumer and somebody who's been looking at the music industry. And it's, it can be difficult. And like, I don't, you see, I don't know whether it's a case of Asian people aren't actively seeking, um, you know, opportunities in the industry, or whether it's a case of we're just not getting them. And I think it could be a mix of both. First time I ever saw somebody of Asian descent on, you know, at the forefront of music was M. I. A.

Savia Rocks: 53:37

Yes.

Joshua Singh: 53:37

And that was 2005.

Savia Rocks: 53:39

Yep.

Joshua Singh: 53:41

And I specifically remember watching her video, I think the song was Galang. Yes, that's it. And, yeah. It's a brilliant, brilliant song. Um, and I remember like, oh my gosh, an Asian girl on MTV. Like, what, what is this? Because I'd never really seen it. And then the next person I can think of is Jay Sean. And actually I think he might've been even before MIA. So I'm actually lying. Um, yeah, he was, I think probably 2003, but all in the same, same time period, really. Um, And then there was Zayn.

Savia Rocks: 54:17

Yes, that's another one.

Joshua Singh: 54:21

And they're probably the only ones I can

Savia Rocks: 54:24

For me, for me it was nice to see because I'm half Asian and half black. So for me, it's, it's a combination of two. But then when you said that, you triggered something in me. Um I just wanted to say, are you sure that could also be that within the music industry, the people who run the industry see Asian people as a certain source within the music industry? If I, if I can put that correctly. So, okay. A majority of rappers are black, right? Right? Yeah. Majority of R& B singers are black, right? Um, a majority of country singers are white, right? Yeah. So Asian, there are a lot of Asian people in the industry that work in the background. Does that make sense? Yeah. And sometimes I feel that they put us all in a category. So they say, okay, Asians work in a background, black people are rappers or singers. Um, white people are the ones who have the connections to get these people to where they need to be. And that's what it is. This is what, when you, when you hit, you hit the nail on the head, when you said diversity, because saying that you've triggered, okay, let's talk about why the people with the power are putting all of us in boxes.

Joshua Singh: 55:57

Well, funny enough, you said, you know, Asian people work in the background. Now, throughout the five years that I've been in this industry, I can probably pinpoint. three people that I've met of Asian descent that have been, you know, working in radio or TV or video. Um, yeah, probably four, probably four people. And so, you know, when I'm going to these events, I'm going, you know, to X, Y, and Z and I'm not seeing myself represented enough. It kind of makes me feel uncomfortable because. You know, because it's like you don't want to address the elephant in the room, but there's only one brown person here. Do you know what I mean? And, and, you know, I think we've all been there. I think as people of color. Yeah. You know, you, you, you, you. And, and, you know, in, in these white dominated industries and, and also going back to, you know, the, the whole us being boxed is 100 percent spot on, you know, BBC Asian network, you know, and, and then like you said, you know, one extra and, you know, the, the, the grime industry, you know, the grime industry, the grime genre and, you know, R and B and hip hop and, you know, it's, it's all. black dominated because that's where they box people. And I mean, from, from my perspective, I'm at a point, so I'm, I'm second generation British Indian. And I think a lot of, you know, people of, you know, Indian descent or whatever that, you know, their parents came from India. And now we're getting to a point where Indians or, you know, all, all, all, all Asian people, um, And even black people, we're, we're all integrated into this culture now. Yeah. You know, uh, you know, some of us have, you know, our parents were born here, and so, so now we are integrated into Western society. So I don't feel like there's, like, we're getting to a point where there's, we need to break out of them boxes. Of course, it's good for us to still be, acknowledging our heritage and, you know, going for whatever, uh, you know, our heritage, our heritage is and, you know, the Asian network and Bangor and X, Y, and Z is obviously great, but there's still a lot of us that want to pursue other areas. And I think it's, it is our right to do that. I don't think that we should be boxed because of our skin color, our heritage. It's, it's what's inside. It's our upbringing. It's where we've come from. Exactly. And where we come from is here, you know, it's, it's, you know, we're not at a point where, you know, our parents came, you know, they're trying to trickle down their culture to us. Of course, we still got that culture in us, but we're British. So yeah, um, I think diversity still has a long way to go.

Savia Rocks: 59:24

I agree.

Joshua Singh: 59:26

Um, and yeah, like you said, I think, Without trying to, without trying to trash the people at the top, um, you know, I think it is, it is interesting to see how the people at the top are still these people that, you know, were in their heyday in the 80s and, you know, and, and their perception on things is the way things were in the 80s. And we are now in the, in the 20s. So it's, you know, we're 40 years ahead. It's a new world. It's a new society. There are so many of us that are, you know, contributing so much and we have so much within us that we can bring to the table, innovation, you know, perception, that, um, perception. Hey, that was, that was,

Savia Rocks: 1:00:19

there

Joshua Singh: 1:00:22

you go. I've, I've, I've just trickled that one in. Amazing. I'm rocking this game. Um, but you know, it, it, you know, it, it's something that I think It needs to be considered because we, you know, we, people of color have a lot of, you know, we have, we have a lot that we can bring. We

Savia Rocks: 1:00:46

have a huge amount of talent. That's all we had when we didn't have anything. When, when slavery was here, when any type of thing that was suppressing. There's one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's another one. Um, suppressing us when we were suppressed for, you know, I think, I think that the people who had the power was scared of the fact that we had so much power and love within our community. So what they do is they separate us and make us go against each other. When we go against each other, we dilute each other. We break apart each other and portray each other. And um, They become stronger while we become weaker. And this, we can talk about this all day. Believe me, we can talk about this all day, but I'm just trying to break it down to for the listeners so that they can understand where we are coming from. Yeah. Don't break down your people listeners. Stay together with them and try and work together so that you can unite with them. And see thing come out of the box and see what the people of power are doing to the people who may not have as much power, but love is the strongest power that we have. So they will try to break that love of power that we have. The moment that we figure out. That love is our power and our strength, the stronger we will be. And there's more of us than there is of them, but we need to realize that there are more of us than there is of them, if that makes sense.

Joshua Singh: 1:02:27

Of course. Yeah. And yeah, I 100 percent I think that's probably hopefully the strongest, most important message that comes out of this, because I think, you know, I mean, even just, you know, us talking about people of color, but also. I think it just people, you know, they say there's one race and it's a human race. And I think it's important that we just all realize that we are all people. We're all human beings. We're all the same breed of, of mammal. And that shouldn't deflect from, you know, all the ways that, you know, we are segregated. And, you know, like you said, I think it's, we are stronger in numbers together than we are apart. Exactly. And. I think as long as you're a good person and you have good intentions, I don't, I don't care where you're from. I don't care. You know, don't care about any of that.

Savia Rocks: 1:03:33

Yeah. I totally agree with you because I, because I'm from so many backgrounds, who am I to, to, to, you know, do you understand is it's about coming together with people. And that's why I like interviewing so many different people from different cultures and different areas where you can't look at a person and automatically think they're going to be a certain way. That's wrong. Speak to them. Remember when you were saying about communication, Joshua, speak to the person. Communication is on the top, free of power, powerful, being powerful within how we as humans do things. I think it's communication, love. Yeah, is the second most probably for me. Um, but love might be first and I'm just, you know, so right. I have two more for you, Joshua. My second to last one is what would you like your legacy to be? You have a long road ahead of you. along positive. Come on, be positive and optimistic. I, I'm hoping for you. You have a very optimistic road ahead of you, but what would you like your legacy to be when you decide and only when you decide as an individual? that you have done enough. How would you like people to remember you?

Joshua Singh: 1:05:00

I've thought about that before and I still don't know. That's fine. I, I mean, honestly, I, the way I try to lead my life in general is that I've always, I've always wanted to encourage people to just be open minded, um, allow people to just freely be. That's something that I. you know, I encourage as something that I'm always championing because I think the way that society has been set up is that it does suppress a lot of people and that isn't just a race thing that is

Savia Rocks: 1:05:48

everything

Joshua Singh: 1:05:49

there's a everything, you know, kind of, you know, people who are, you know, come from all different types of struggles or, you know, hurdles. And, you know, if you're not a certain way, then, you know, you're branded as an outsider. And I think that everybody is a person, everybody has experiences, and we should all be very accepting to that and compassionate. I think compassionate and empathy, those are things that I. always try to encourage. Obviously, it's hard. Sometimes you just want to be a bitch, but, you know, it's, but, you know, like, obviously you can't always just be that happy, nice, you know, compassionate person. Some people are just damn right nasty people, but, you know, but you can't, If I've learned anything in my life and dealing with, you know, the ill willed people that I have, is that you, you can't let them win. Patience. Patience. Tolerance. Love always overcomes hate. Always, always overcomes hate. Is that, did I just say that right? I'm just gonna, gonna do that again. Love always overcomes hate. Um, And yeah, that is something that I, you know, that's, that's perhaps, that's perhaps my legacy. It's just, just encouraging people to be more understanding and empathetic to people. Um, and also just encouraging self respect and, you know, unapologetically being yourself. That's something that I've always tried to do. And just, Yeah, just respecting yourself enough and having the bravery and the courage to just 100 percent be your authentic self. Because it can be hard. It's very hard in a world where we are being pushed and we're being told. left, right and center. And it can even be from loved ones. It can be from

Savia Rocks: 1:08:06

even more so

Joshua Singh: 1:08:08

100 percent more so actually. And it's hard to push against that when you know that there's a love it's coming from a loving place. It's coming from a protective place. But also, it can be harmful in other ways. And it, it can be harmful to who you are. It can be harmful to your well being. And it's, and that's okay. I think we've all been there. I think it's a challenge that we all face. And I think it's more of a case of, look, we, we've all been, In certain places in our lives, like, we are, like, you're never alone. You're never alone. And I think I'm just going off on a tangent here now. But, you know, I think at the end of the day, the legacy is love, isn't it? And it's just, just to not be a dick.

Savia Rocks: 1:09:06

I like, hey, I'm going to end it there like that because I like that. My final question for you, Joshua, is I've had the privilege of having a conversation with you today, which I will always remember. If anybody else would like to get in contact with you, where can they find you and all your social media platforms? If they would like to get in contact with you?

Joshua Singh: 1:09:32

Um, well, you can get in touch with me on Instagram or Twitter, I think. I wasn't too, I wasn't too confident about that, was I?

Savia Rocks: 1:09:45

No, no, you were like, Twitter? I

Joshua Singh: 1:09:47

was like, do I want people to see my Twitter? That's good. I think that's kind of what it comes down to. Um, But yeah, no, um, Instagram, Twitter. So Instagram is, it's really hard to, to explain. So it's, it's FUX King Joshy, so it's kind of like, it's censored, but it's not, you know?

Savia Rocks: 1:10:12

Yeah.

Joshua Singh: 1:10:13

Um, and then there's thing for Twitter, it's FUX King Josh. Um, yeah. I would put my email, but I feel like that's, do people email anymore?

Savia Rocks: 1:10:27

I

Joshua Singh: 1:10:27

email.

Savia Rocks: 1:10:27

Yeah, they do. I email. What's that? I email. Come on, Josh.

Joshua Singh: 1:10:32

Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, no, I don't know why. Yeah, of course we all email. I email. I don't know, it's just, I don't know, for some reason I just feel like, is

Savia Rocks: 1:10:42

emailing a

Joshua Singh: 1:10:43

thing?

Savia Rocks: 1:10:43

But

Joshua Singh: 1:10:43

it is

Savia Rocks: 1:10:44

a thing. It is a thing, but should I tell you why you thought of it? Because we have mobile phones, everybody's so accessible so quickly. You can just call them or text them or WhatsApp them. And they're instantly there, whereas emails, we all use them for several different reasons. Like I use them to, for my calendar, just to put calendar invites and stuff and dates and it's efficient for me. So everybody has a different platform of what they use, which is easier for them. So yeah, I totally get you. Yeah. Well, okay. Right. Yeah. So my email,

Joshua Singh: 1:11:21

my email is joshuasing65 at gmail. com. See, so if Joshua

Savia Rocks: 1:11:27

gets bombarded with emails, he knows where they came from.

Joshua Singh: 1:11:30

Yeah. But, um, yeah. Yeah, no, yeah, I feel like those are the best three ways to, three ways to contact me. But also, on the side note, if you, um, wanted to hear more of my musings, I also write music, so, and I have music out, so, um, which is also a bit of fun, that's actually another way that, um, Another way to gain experience from, from music industry and, and ways to, to do things. That's kind of why I do it. It's like an artist perspective thing. And it's been quite comforting during this time, especially, you know, with sense of furlough for me to still be active in the music industry, you know, whilst furloughed. Um, But yeah, if, if, if you want to speak to me without speaking to me, you can listen to my music.

Savia Rocks: 1:12:29

I like that. I like the way he plugged that one in there. That was cool. Joshua, I want to thank you so much for coming on the Yes People podcast. You have been such a great guest and I've totally enjoyed every single second of you. It's coming actually on the show. So thank you so much.

Joshua Singh: 1:12:45

Well, thank you. Thank you so much. It's been absolutely brilliant. It's been amazing to talk to you.

Savia Rocks: 1:12:49

Perfect. Guys. Thank you so much for listening to the us People podcast. And please remember, you can subscribe and leave us a review. On Spotify, iTunes, Google Play, and any other platform that you prefer listening to, please also follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. And you can also donate to the us People podcast by simply going to the SaviaRocks website or just typing in paypal. me forward slash us People podcast. Guys, thank you so much for listening. Stay happy, stay positive, and as always, please, continue to be kind to one another.

Joshua Singh: 1:13:50

I went through a period where I was like, oh, how would I define myself? Like, who am I? And I think one of the things I've always taken comfort in is that I don't, I don't tend to define myself because, and I feel like I just am. And the reason that I don't define myself is because I think people, people change all the time. Their temperaments change all the time. Your circumstances change all the time. And I think every day you can be a different person. I'm not saying, and I'm not saying, you know, like you're a completely new personality, but just in terms of your temperaments and the way that you are. I think things can change for you all the time and you know different situations and so it it's something that i've always just said I I just am I don't feel a need to to define myself because It's i'm just i'm just me like

Savia Rocks: 1:15:00

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